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	<title>Comments on: The Path to Succession: The Path to Collapse (update)</title>
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	<description>The crisis. The Enigma. The Controversy.</description>
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		<title>By: DPRK Forum &#187; The Path to Succession: The Path to Collapse Part 2</title>
		<link>http://dprkforum.com/2007/08/29/the-path-to-succession-the-path-to-collapse/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>DPRK Forum &#187; The Path to Succession: The Path to Collapse Part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] North Korea Falls&#8221; article. I read some reactions to the article I did not read before (See comments in the last article of the series), and gave some extra insight into this complex and highly speculative series. In this part of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] North Korea Falls&#8221; article. I read some reactions to the article I did not read before (See comments in the last article of the series), and gave some extra insight into this complex and highly speculative series. In this part of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://dprkforum.com/2007/08/29/the-path-to-succession-the-path-to-collapse/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the comments, and thank you for reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comments, and thank you for reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Tukhachevsky</title>
		<link>http://dprkforum.com/2007/08/29/the-path-to-succession-the-path-to-collapse/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Tukhachevsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent work, Jack.  It's nice to add another NK blog to my "bookmarks".

"Even with Kim Jong-il hypothetically out of the picture, the regimes political and military elite don’t want reunification as they would face a loss of power, if not tribunals."

Richardson's comment touches on a point that has been on my mind for some time.  When the regime collapses I would surprised if many NK citizens do not seek revenge against local security forces and/or political apparatchiks.  This could create an even bigger mess, and brings me to a question with several possible outcomes.  Fearing for their own lives, will local security forces and apparatchiks unite to protect themselves in large (or small) armed groups to protect themselves from their own citizens (and will they also form the backbone of a nationwide insurgency that will attack any South Korean and/or foreign troops)?  Will they accept the consequences of their actions and surrender peacefully to face tribunals?  Or, will it be every comrade for himself (or herself)?  I am sure there are many more possible outcomes to my question, but I can only think of three right now.

As an aside, one example of a communist nation's security forces "overreacting" and suppressing peaceful protesters -- and sparking a revolution that was joined by the army -- is the failed Hungarian Revolution of 1956.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent work, Jack.  It&#8217;s nice to add another NK blog to my &#8220;bookmarks&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Even with Kim Jong-il hypothetically out of the picture, the regimes political and military elite don’t want reunification as they would face a loss of power, if not tribunals.&#8221;</p>
<p>Richardson&#8217;s comment touches on a point that has been on my mind for some time.  When the regime collapses I would surprised if many NK citizens do not seek revenge against local security forces and/or political apparatchiks.  This could create an even bigger mess, and brings me to a question with several possible outcomes.  Fearing for their own lives, will local security forces and apparatchiks unite to protect themselves in large (or small) armed groups to protect themselves from their own citizens (and will they also form the backbone of a nationwide insurgency that will attack any South Korean and/or foreign troops)?  Will they accept the consequences of their actions and surrender peacefully to face tribunals?  Or, will it be every comrade for himself (or herself)?  I am sure there are many more possible outcomes to my question, but I can only think of three right now.</p>
<p>As an aside, one example of a communist nation&#8217;s security forces &#8220;overreacting&#8221; and suppressing peaceful protesters &#8212; and sparking a revolution that was joined by the army &#8212; is the failed Hungarian Revolution of 1956.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://dprkforum.com/2007/08/29/the-path-to-succession-the-path-to-collapse/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mention Joshua, it is most appreciated and an honor. I will need to research your take more. I am not very familiar with Burma. Should be interesting though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mention Joshua, it is most appreciated and an honor. I will need to research your take more. I am not very familiar with Burma. Should be interesting though.</p>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; State Dept. Won&#8217;t Remove N. Korea from Terror List &#8230; Yet</title>
		<link>http://dprkforum.com/2007/08/29/the-path-to-succession-the-path-to-collapse/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; State Dept. Won&#8217;t Remove N. Korea from Terror List &#8230; Yet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] superb? DPRK Forum, a newcomer which is already one of the top five Korea blogs in my book.?  This must-read post talks about scenarios for regime collapse.?  This is an area where I&#8217;m fascinated by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] superb? DPRK Forum, a newcomer which is already one of the top five Korea blogs in my book.?  This must-read post talks about scenarios for regime collapse.?  This is an area where I&#8217;m fascinated by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://dprkforum.com/2007/08/29/the-path-to-succession-the-path-to-collapse/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this story before, but reading it again after reading some other things, this seems to contradict itself in certain places. Namely the isolation of NK yet China wants the North. So which is it?

I am in the process of writing the 2nd installment. Yes, this may be kind of boring for those that already know this stuff, but I have some other questions that are not raised in the article. It may be immaterial, they are still questions nontheless.

Thanks for the link to your take on it. I have not seen it, and from the other takes on it, I feel kind of dumb, but then again, I am pretty new to this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this story before, but reading it again after reading some other things, this seems to contradict itself in certain places. Namely the isolation of NK yet China wants the North. So which is it?</p>
<p>I am in the process of writing the 2nd installment. Yes, this may be kind of boring for those that already know this stuff, but I have some other questions that are not raised in the article. It may be immaterial, they are still questions nontheless.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to your take on it. I have not seen it, and from the other takes on it, I feel kind of dumb, but then again, I am pretty new to this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the aid were to stop completely (in my view), the government would have gone away a while ago.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That’s the money shot. The problem is that a lot of people would die in a short time (months, a couple of years) and governments would feel responsible. As it stands, probably even more have been dying over a much longer period of time. Six in one, half dozen in the other.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The reduction of vast economic inequality seems to be on the forefront of the agenda, and the hope is that reunification can take place gradually and without problems. That is a nice thought, but in my opinion, that seems a tad Utopian.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The same problem with aid applies; it only prolongs the regime, which is not dancing to the same tune. Even with Kim Jong-il hypothetically out of the picture, the regimes political and military elite don’t want reunification as they would face a loss of power, if not tribunals.

You’re asking all the right questions and already have many of the answers.

Here’s &lt;a href="http://www.dprkstudies.org/2006/09/07/kaplan%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cwhen-north-korea-falls%e2%80%9d/" rel="nofollow"&gt;my take on Kaplan’s, “When North Korea Falls,”&lt;/a&gt; from last year (mostly nitpicking).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the aid were to stop completely (in my view), the government would have gone away a while ago.</p></blockquote>
<p>That’s the money shot. The problem is that a lot of people would die in a short time (months, a couple of years) and governments would feel responsible. As it stands, probably even more have been dying over a much longer period of time. Six in one, half dozen in the other.</p>
<blockquote><p>The reduction of vast economic inequality seems to be on the forefront of the agenda, and the hope is that reunification can take place gradually and without problems. That is a nice thought, but in my opinion, that seems a tad Utopian.</p></blockquote>
<p>The same problem with aid applies; it only prolongs the regime, which is not dancing to the same tune. Even with Kim Jong-il hypothetically out of the picture, the regimes political and military elite don’t want reunification as they would face a loss of power, if not tribunals.</p>
<p>You’re asking all the right questions and already have many of the answers.</p>
<p>Here’s <a href="http://www.dprkstudies.org/2006/09/07/kaplan%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cwhen-north-korea-falls%e2%80%9d/" rel="nofollow">my take on Kaplan’s, “When North Korea Falls,”</a> from last year (mostly nitpicking).</p>
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