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North Korean oddities: Victorious Fatherland Liberation War Museum

War MuseumNo tour of the DPRK is complete without stopping by the Victorious Fatherland Liberation War Museum in Pyongyang. I did a little research on it, and while there is not a huge amount of information on it, I will post what I can regarding it. For those that have visited this oddity, please feel free to add your own thoughts, experiences and corrections to this posting, please do so.

On the right is the Google Earth image of the museum, and you can see the little details and a bird’s eye view of it. There are other pictures of the inside, but since almost all the pictures are copyrighted by the authors of the pictures, I will simply link the images to the page and not re-upload them here. If you are the author of some of these images and grant permission for DPRK Forum to use them, I would be grateful, and please say so in the comments. Otherwise, you will have to see them over there. However, there is a nice YouTube video of the tour, but this particular video not show the rotating war room:

Typarker gives some account of this museum:

In North Korea, the Korean War is called the Victorious Fatherland Liberation War, and our next stop was the Victorious Fatherland Liberation War Museum. The museum was interesting in that it was a physical representation of all of the anti-American feelings we War Museum had heard since being there. It was definitely worth seeing, but completely filled my quota of Korean-War-from-a-North-Korean-perspective talks I’d need for a while.

That is all fair and good, but what is the history behind this thing? I dug around, and it was very difficult to find. There is a brief description on the KCNA page:

Pyongyang, August 17 (KCNA) — 45 years have passed since the victorious Fatherland Liberation War Museum was established. The museum systematically shows the enduring feats of the President Kim Il Sung in leading the Fatherland Liberation War (June 1950-july 1953) to victory. Its predecessor, the fatherland liberation war memorial,was opened to public on August 17, 1953, and expanded into the present victorious Fatherland Liberation War Museum in April Juche 63 (1974). It is located on the Pothong River. It has 80 odd rooms. On display there are materials showing the feats the President performed in the army building during the anti-Japanese revolutionary struggle and the democratic revolution. Exhibited are data on military achievements made by all arms and services of the Korean People’s Army on several stages of operations during the Fatherland Liberation War and materials showing the struggle of people in the rear. Also exhibited are materials on the brutal atrocities of the U.S. imperialists and their defeat. The museum has over 70 semi-panoramic pictures and model boards, among them halls with a cyclorama on the operation of liberating Taejon and a semi-panoramic picture on the battle of attack on height 351. On the occasion of the 40th anniversary of the War Victory Day, the monument to victory in the Fatherland Liberation War was built on a large scale in the vicinity of the museum. War veterans are now working as lecturers at the museum. The museum has been visited so far by nearly 17 million people since its opening.

That is some information about the history, but since this is the KCNA, of course, propaganda is interwoven. So much for fair and balanced reporting. If other readers have information on the history of this oddity, please let me know.

Some links to pictures and accounts:

Account 1

Pictures of a trip to the DPRK including the war museum

KFA pictures

Account 2

Account 3 This part was pretty funny to read:

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The War Museum in Pyongyang serves to promulgate the North Korean version of the war. We were met by a stout museum guide who, like almost all of her colleagues in NK, spoke no English (our guides translated) and seemed to be delivering a memorized monologue. The tour took about 2 hours, but I think it could’ve easily have been shortened to one hour if they just said ‘Kim Il Sung’ instead of `The Supreme Leader Generalissimo Kim Il Sung’ and `America’ instead of `The Imperialist American Aggressor’.
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There are other accounts, but a more comprehensive history may be a little better. On the other hand, such information may be a little hard to come by.

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J. Edgar Hoover and mass jailings?

I ran into a pretty odd story on Google News today:

A newly declassified document shows that J. Edgar Hoover, the longtime director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, had a plan to suspend habeas corpus and imprison some 12,000 Americans he suspected of disloyalty.

(I removed links, added emphasis and linked to the declassified document) We do remember the McCarthy era, and while that is a very touchy subject, I will try to avoid the partisan divide and the possible conspiracy theories linked to this story. I do have my opinions on the McCarthy era, that is not really the focus of this posting. With explosive topics such as this, I will let the reader make his or her own mind up as to the implications of such moves past and present, because from that, we can decide for ourselves how the future will be and I will leave it a that.

The purpose of this article is to show the historical documents for you folk to sift through. There are many declassified documents in the PDF linked, so you will have more than enough time to read it and see the whole thing for yourself. It will take me a while to read it all, and the letter in question is found on pages 18-20:

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Have a look at the Cold War archives

Kim Il SungI have been wanting to do this for quite some time, and while I should be finishing the propaganda series, I thought this would be something I want to post instead. The Cold War lasted for many decades, and while it is considered over by many people, for Korea, the Cold War never ended. The division is still there, and Panmunjom is the most visible of the division of ideologies.

I went ahead and looked around for some interesting tidbits in the Cold War Archives and other places to gain a better understanding of the thought process of North Korea and the Korean War.

Not only does this archive cover Korea, it covers other countries as well, and has a host of declassified documents and exchanges with leaders. It is a very interesting read, and it would do the site an injustice to highlight just a few things.

Some other stuff:

Cold War Studies at Harvard University

National Security Archive

CIA

Declassified Korean War Documents

More Korean War documents at Kimsoft

Enjoy the archives. If you know of any other archives that may be of interest to readers, please let me know and I will make sure to add it to the resources.

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More on the peace treaty question

lol, RohTwo pieces of news today. It is basically a rehash, but this may interest readers anyway. The first from Chosun Ilbo:

In an interview with Japan’s Asahi Shimbun newspaper, President Roh Moo-hyun said mutual trust had to be established before a peace treaty could be concluded with North Korea. “(The concerned parties) are supposed to make promises that each can trust, declare peace and an end to the war when those promises reach a trustworthy level, and afterwards conduct peace talks and nuclear dismantlement simultaneously, aren’t they?” Roh said. (emphasis mine)

Huh? That does not make a whole lot of sense. He said earlier disablement and eventual dismantling can take a long time. So is this implying the peace talks can take just as long? I simply do not understand the line of thinking here. There are doubts that a peace treaty can be done before Roh is gone according to the Korea Times:

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Nukes, Mt. Paekdu and peace treaties (Update)

Kind of interesting news today which includes opening sacred Mount Paekdu to visitors via direct flights:

The decision comes a month after only the second summit between leaders of the two Koreas, divided by a fortified border since the end of the 1950-53 Korean War.

The North’s state-run news agency KCNA said South Korea’s Hyundai Group had been granted the right to conduct package tours to Mt. Paektu from May 2008 using direct flights from Seoul.

Personally, I never, ever thought something like this would ever happen, and this caught me by surprise. On the other hand, a lot of changes are happening in North Korea, yet at the same time, nothing changes. The DPRK is such a strange oxymoron.

A top Hyundai official met North Korean leader Kim Jong-il in Pyongyang on Saturday, KCNA said.

At present, South Koreans can only visit the Chinese side of the 2,744 metre (9,000 feet) mountain, which Koreans consider sacred because they believe it is the place of their ancestral origin. The mountain is on the northern tip of the Korean peninsula.

…and of course the supposed birthplace of Kim Jong Il (Link and emphasis mine). This is just speculation on my part, but Kim looking elsewhere at different economic models (see Vietnam post), opening/planning special economic zones, and now opening places not previously opened to the outside world may be an inkling (and from my view obvious) of Kim’s need for more hard needed cash. Is this a foreshadow of more dire things to come? Is North Korea finally realizing the very serious problems it faces? That I cannot answer, but that trip to Vietnam and other globe-trotting has me wondering. As with everything in North Korea, I am not going to place any bets.

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Military questions for the readers

I just got done with an interesting discussion about speculation regarding if the the Korean War should resume. As stated many times before on this blog, I never profess to be an expert on the subject, and would like the insight of other readers regarding some questions.

It may be I have been wrong all this time regarding what I have believed about what North Korea could do if they decided to try an offensive across the DMZ. From what I have been reading, the South has been concerned about a possible offensive on Seoul or other places if Kim should ever get the inkling his regime is under direct threat (or otherwise). As you all know, he seems to be a pretty paranoid guy, and has touted for years regarding the strength of his KPA.

I am not an expert on ROK/DPRK military matters, so maybe folks who have a better grasp of this subject can enlighten me a little more.

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Korean War peace treaty questions

UnificationThere has been a buzz about a possible end to the Korean War, and reading about it, there are some unanswered questions from my end anyway, and perhaps some readers can help me understand some of the background or a better understanding on this.

This article got me thinking:

With the leaders’ agreement short of naming the participants in the talks, controversy remains over which country among the four pertinent countries — South and North Korea, the United States and China — should be excluded if the talks involve three nations. As signatories of the armistice, the U.S. and North Korea must be part of the talks. China, the other part of the three-way armistice, claims it will also be part of the talks, but the South Korean government has said Seoul will be part of the dialogue on any occasion, partly because the summit agreement was reached between the two Koreas.

What I am not getting from this article is why only three nations would be allowed to participate in a possible peace treaty. Since the United States, South Korea, China and North Korea were all part of the Korean War, why would only three nations be involved in the process when all four want (or appears to want) to be part of it? Kim Yong Nam was not talking:

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Kim Jong Il’s bellyaches will not change (updated)

Sorry for the lack of updates. First it was integrating forums, now it was the lack of funds to pay for the Internet connection. The fun never stops. I apologize for that, so I have to catch up with some of the developments. Looks like there is some despite the slow news days for North Korea because it is hot or cold. No in between.

Kim Jong Il is hurt. He is not happy Bush called his rule a “brutal regime”. The truth hurts, but sometimes, it has to be said. That was one of the things Roh refused to do at the summit, which is to tell it like it is. No, I am not a huge fan of Bush, but left wing or right wing, there should be unanimous agreement Kim Jong Il is a brutal dictator. Kim just needs to be told this more often.

North Korea charged U.S. George W. Bush with tarnishing its dignity and hurting talks aimed at ending it nuclear arms programme by describing the communist state as a brutal regime, its official media said on Friday.

Six party talks or not, nuclear disablement or not, peace treaty or not, Kim Jong Il as long as he remains at the helm will still be a brutal dictator. I do not see him releasing any prisoners from his gulags, giving back POW’s, kidnapped people, letting people worship the way they want, go from one place to another freely, listen to broadcasts, or have a say in how the government is run. Until those and many other things change, it is the truth.

According to a text posted on the White House Web site, Bush told the U.N. General Assembly in September: “In Belarus, North Korea, Syria, and Iran, brutal regimes deny their people the fundamental rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration”.

North Korea typically unleashes rhetorical attacks against those who criticise its human rights record, widely considered to be among the worst in the world.

Not a lot has changed in the last 60 or so years. The rhetoric keeps coming, so I do not know what news that is. I am sure he knows others have a basic idea of what is going on inside his walled la-la land. Jumping up and down screaming foul is not going to change the wide perception on his regime. I doubt this is going to keep the process from going forward at least for now, because there is gold at the end of this rainbow. As long as he appears to be a good boy, he can get his aid, energy assistance, economic cooperation and maybe even a delisting from the terror list. That should make his mouth water.

In the meantime, as long as the reactor making everybody nervous stops, he can continue his human rights abuses. That to me, is a tragedy.

Also, read this related article.

Update: I missed this KCNA link. Check it out.

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Joseph Dresnok syndrome?

Joseph DresnokThere is the lingering and little talked about issue regarding kidnapped South Koreans according to the DailyNK. Apparently, these poor souls got tired of living in South Korea and wanted to defect to the socialist paradise that is the DPRK according to Kim Jong Il:

At the Inter-Korea Summit which was held in Pyongyang on the 3rd, Kim Jong Il insisted regarding the abducted South Korean, “They came to the North voluntarily and we received them through welcoming ceremonies.”

I guess human rights activists were wrong about Roh and he asked about some human rights issues. So it seems to me they should all calm down, “take a chill pill” and understand Roh is doing all he can to make North Korea play nice. In my opinion, if you believe that, I have some ocean front property in Kansas to sell.

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Terror list removal, Japan and the six party talks: Looks like it (updated)

As stated in the previous post, it is a pretty busy news day in for Korea, the region and other things related to it. The coverage of the Summit in the United States is there, but it is limited to blurbs. does not matter since I am not running the newsdesk, but there are some other news that may be worth looking at today:

First and foremost is in the six-party talks that has been very, very slow. This process is planning (nope, nobody signed the dotted line yet, but it seems close) this story tells more:

Hill wouldn’t disclose the contents of the statement, saying an announcement would be made by the Chinese government, which hosted the talks, when all the countries involved agreed to the draft.

Of course not. It is still a draft needing approval. That much is expected. However, it seems there are other provisions (although not concrete yet) regardin a treaty to formally end the Korean War and remove North Korea from the sponsors of terror list. North Korea has been lusting for this for quite some time because of the problems they face when conducting trade, getting loans (although they were in default long before they were on that list) and the like. I personally do not care for the idea of taking North Korea off the list, but I am not in the negotiating process, so I cannot do much.

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